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[Titulum ex cod. M] VII. Si quis alibi consistentem clericum ordinandum putauerint.

[Titulum ex cod. A, R] VII. Si quis alibi consistentem clericum ordinare praesumpserit.

[Titulum ex Collectione Hispana] VIII [sic!]. De his qui alienum ordinare praesumpserit.

Si quis alibi consistentem clericum ordinandum putauerit, prius definiat ut cum ipso habitet. Sic quoque non sine consultatione eius episcopi cum quo ante habitauit eum qui fortasse non sine causa diu ab alio ordinatus non est, ordinare non praesumat.

(ed. Munier 1963: 79-80, 91-92)

[Title from the codex M] VII. [What to do] if someone would think he can ordain a cleric living somewhere else [i.e. not in his diocese].

[Title from the codices A, R] VII. [What to do] if someone would dare to ordain a cleric living somewhere else [i.e. not in his diocese].

[Title from the Hispana Collection] VIII [sic!]. On one who dare to ordain another.

If someone would think he can ordain a cleric living somewhere else [i.e. not in his diocese], first let he accept him into his household [i.e. clergy]. He also should not dare to ordain someone without consultation with his bishop in whose household he lived beforehand because the bishop might have had reason not to ordain him for a long time.

(trans. J. Szafranowski)

Discussion:

This canon is repeated in the so-called Second Council of Arles as canon 35 (34) (see Munier 1963: 120; e.g. [549]).

It seems that it was considered natural for clerics to live with their bishops.

Place of event:

Region

Gaul

City

Orange

About the source:

Title: First Council of Orange 441, Concilium Arausicanum I anno 441
Origin: Orange (Gaul)
Denomination: Catholic/Nicene/Chalcedonian

The First Council of Orange gathered in 441 under bishop Hilary of Arles. Some sixteen bishops were present, along with their presbyters and deacons, including one presbyter who was sent by the bishop in his stead (see [444]).

Edition:

Ch. Munier ed., Concilia Galliae a. 314-a. 506, Corpus Christianorum. Series Latina 148, Turnhoult 1963.

Categories:

Travel and change of residence

Ecclesiastical transfer

Described by a title - Clericus

Monastic or common life - Clerical community

Relation with - Bishop/Monastic superior

Impediments or requisits for the office - Ecclesiastical career

Please quote this record referring to its author, database name, number, and, if possible, stable URL: J. Szafranowski, Presbyters in the Late Antique West, ER725, http://www.presbytersproject.ihuw.pl/index.php?id=6&SourceID=725